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Mar 20, 2014 3:22 PM

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This was a fucking beautiful episode. I am so happy with Kaname. He finally managed to convey his feelings. Ugh his feelings hit home and hit me hard. I'm not ashamed to say that I cried (hell I've cried a lot the duration of this show). Honestly the scene with Sayu and Kaname was the best one this entire episode and I loved every bit of it. I have been waiting for the show to shed some more light on Kaname and his feelings and this was so well done. How is this show so well written I don't even understand.

The Chisaki and Tsumugu part was done well too. Hell, everything was done well. I sincerely hope that Manaka will remember everything. Ahhh I need this to end Hikari/Manaka or else I won't know what to doooooo.
Mar 20, 2014 3:45 PM
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Love this show! Oh the Feels!

hikarixmanaka (miuna can be by with the other dude :P, but hikari deserves manaka imo) ftw!

and hopefully the necklace is all that is need for the ofuneki, i really dont want either miuna or tsumugu to sacrifice themselves! Though is one person needed to be chosen id say tsumugu(he took up manaka feelings too much! payback time!) though then chisaki would sadly be alone :P i shipe her and kaname but now that sayu confessed it seams that theyre offs o oh well :P loved the preview! hikari saying he loves manak in it! cannot wait

#feelsthurday
Mar 20, 2014 4:13 PM

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So my OTP (KanamexSayu) is a fact. Things went better than expected
5/5
Mar 20, 2014 4:15 PM

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That confession was nice. The train was a very nice touch. Oh you and your CGI P.A. Works c:.
Mar 20, 2014 4:20 PM

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LiMaKuS said:
Would be funny if Chisaki and Tsumugu will hibernates for 5 years


I know that this will not happen, but this would be a good cliffhanger for another season.

Reasons why I like the idea:
1. All of the kids would have the same age and hardcore shippers (ChisakixHikari, TsumuguxManaka, KanamexChisaki or whatever) would see that no matter what happens, ChisakixTsumugu would always be the end game.
If the kids had grown up together , Chisaki would still end up with Tsumugu (even Kaname knows this). Maybe my eyes are bad, but there were enough hints in the first cour that she was attracted to him and that she would fall for him if she starts to let go of Hikari
(And no, I´m not saying all of this because I'm hardcore shipper, I only state what I saw)

2. I also want to see an adult Hikari, Kaname, Miuna, Sayu and Manaka :)!
Ongaku008Mar 20, 2014 4:25 PM
Days need to be longer. 24 hours isn't enough ...
Mar 20, 2014 4:42 PM
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Holy CRAP!! The FEELS!! Hoping this ends well and no plot twist *nice boat ending* (if u know what i mean)..Can't wait for the next episode!
Mar 20, 2014 4:44 PM
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Only took 24 episodes for Kaname to get his first win :D
Mar 20, 2014 4:45 PM

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That episode was the best!!! I love the scene between Sayu and Kaname. It was just too great. I hope we see them together in the next episode.

However, I like Tsumugu, but that rejection was hard to watch and it's gone back to square one.

That span of the second Ofunehiki(I think I spelled it wrong) was way shorter than the first. Obviously, because here's only two episodes left and there's too much drama to resolve. I'm guessing it begins next week.

Two more episodes left....
Mar 20, 2014 4:53 PM
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Kaname proved to be the most mature of the group, because even loving Chisaki he decided to overcome this feeling, because your love is unrequited. I really hope he and Saya stay together in the end.
Mar 20, 2014 4:57 PM

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Yup I'm still disliking Chisaki. She's wayyy to much of a drama queen. And the way she ran away and rejected Tsumugu was mean. At least do it with class. How would you feel if someone you loved ran away from you screaming they don't love you and left you hanging? Bitch.

on the other hand I really love the scene with Kaname and Sayu. That was done perfectly. Not only was she able to passionately explain her feelings but he didn't reject her or accept her feelings so easily. His answer was perfect. He would start noticing her now, and hopefully that will lead to more. Poor Kaname i was really feeling what he said about feeling like no one was waiting for him. Poor kid.
Mar 20, 2014 5:02 PM

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Is it okay if i cry? ;_; i can't imagine to see kaname shed tears like that.... Sayu-chan you did well... i proud of you....



Mar 20, 2014 5:06 PM

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I was getting some 5 Centimeters per Second vibes from that train scene! If only, if only!
Mar 20, 2014 5:07 PM

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Kaname x Sayu was really good. Yay for both of 'em.

I wonder how the Ofunehiki will go.
Mar 20, 2014 5:16 PM

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That Tsumugu rejection... It was still well done and they'll still end up together at the end hoho :]
That Sayu and Kaname scene... daammmn
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Mar 20, 2014 5:48 PM

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Another fine episode. Sayu's confession to Kaname was tops!!
Mar 20, 2014 5:51 PM

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I really enjoyed the Kaname x Sayu scene. I've been cheering for this couple. Sayu has possibly become my favorite character. Fiercest girl in the bunch.
Nice touch with the train and Kaname's tears of loneliness.
Mar 20, 2014 6:02 PM

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Man, I fucking love Kaname so much. I'm talking about the scene where he comforts Chisaki.

Perfect scene to start a perfect episode.
Mar 20, 2014 6:02 PM

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Yay for Kaname x Sayu!
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness."

"May those who defy their fate be granted glory."
Mar 20, 2014 6:07 PM
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One ship is already sailing .
2 more to go .
What about Manaka x tsumugu ship comes back from the sea ?
Mar 20, 2014 6:08 PM

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Kaname got more screen time yay
Mar 20, 2014 6:26 PM

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Kaname x Sayu is real seems the tragic hero might be so tragic in the end
Mar 20, 2014 6:40 PM
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Was Tsumugu's grandfather's story about Ofunehiki possibly a foreshadow to Hikari's death?
Mar 20, 2014 6:47 PM
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whoaa beware, Tsumugu and Chisaki haters are awaken from their hibernation
Mar 20, 2014 7:02 PM

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kawaii-despair said:
NubbyMcNubNub said:
Kaname Best Guy


Kaname was always best guy.
You got that right.

I'm so proud of Sayu! While I don't want Sayu to be some kind of consolation prize for Kaname and all of his suffering, I'm happy she was able to save him from despair and let him know he's not a loser nobody likes. Chisaki is an idiot. I never thought I'd be happy for Kaname getting his heart broken by her but I am. Sayu's better than she is with a rational head on her shoulders.

Chisaki, please accept you are 19 years old and grow up! Not for Tsumugu's sake but for your own. Tsumugu's confession today was kinda smug but I felt you are so dense it was the only way he could try to get through you just short of slapping you. Of course it seems now you need to be slapped some sense into.

Tsumugu is somehow mysteriously still the smartest person on this show. Hope his plan works unless Miuna wants to sacrifice her love for Hikari and give it to Manaka.

I love this show.
Mar 20, 2014 7:05 PM
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is anyone still shipping tsumugu x manaka? I know its impossible now but i just want to know if anyone else is sad the way things turned out.
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Mar 20, 2014 7:22 PM

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AshtonClaude said:
whoaa beware, Tsumugu and Chisaki haters are awaken from their hibernation


Where've you been all this time? The Tsumugu and Chisaki haters have been here all along. It's just that the "Tsumugu x Chisaki" shippers' voices in the last 5 or 10 eps have kind of drowned everyone else out, and with the rejection from this episode everyone else is kind of going "Serves you right" for the over-eager shipping fans.
Don't worry, everyone and their grandma knows that Tsumugu and Chisaki will be together in the end (baring any last minute death flags aside). Most people just don't like how the shippers try to rub it in everyone else's faces, even more so if they are fans of the "tragic heroine" Kaname. I bet most neutrals would agree.
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Mar 20, 2014 7:25 PM
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kawaii-despair said:
NubbyMcNubNub said:
Kaname Best Guy


Kaname was always best guy.


I didn't realize it before. I apologize. When his character fully unwound I felt by far the most relatable to him, and the way he replied was a masterpiece. Arguably the best confession scene I've seen. I find it beyond extremely hard for any of the others to top that. At all.

My Current Ships (In Order):

Kaname x Sayu (Obviously)

Manaka/Miuna (Don't care, but Manaka more likely.) x Hikari

Grass x Saltflake Snow
Whoever isn't with Hikari x Air

Tsumugu x Nobody. (...Still don't like him, though this would be better for him.)

Chisaki X Nobody. (...This girl is a bit unbelievable, so I'm going to leave her down at the bottom, here. I used to like her way more than everybody else, but man, she's such a disappointment to me now.)

I love how Kaname ended up better off. Good for you, man, good for you. Also Sayu! All grown up, huh? Definitely my favorite two characters in the show at this point. Though I still like Miuna quite a bit more than everyone else, I think. But holy hell, think about it this way guys, she could be Chisaki.
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Was Tsumugu's grandfather's story about Ofunehiki possibly a foreshadow to Hikari's death?


I hope not lol. The guy ended up drowning looking for his lover but Hikari can breathe underwater XD....Not to mention it was Hikari that saved Manaka from the sea. Please no sea god troll part 2 D:
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Mar 20, 2014 7:39 PM

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Fuck finally, at least one couple formed out of the group. Well, Kaname's reply was more like "let's start as friends" deal, which is still a good direction. Now that we're close to the end, I don't really see any couples actually forming, I bet it will be open ended.
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Once again, Kaname gets the short end of the stick. He's had to watch Chisaki fall for another guy, not once, but twice. And despite that, he always remained a good friend to her. In this episode, especially, he's willing to listen to her problems, even though he's obviously being crushed by loneliness and unrequited love. And on top of that, he offers great advice because he's a FUCKING BOSS, as usual. His sudden outburst at the end was well-deserved. Some viewers might view that as out of character for him, but as much as you try to hold things in, eventually something is going to break you. It was about time for Kaname.

I think why so many people like Kaname - at least as far as I'm concerned - is because of his forward momentum. He was always good at getting the wheels turning. Everyone was so afraid to confess their feelings, but Kaname never was. He didn't mind putting it out there without even thinking twice on it. And in this episode, Sayu has the courage to confess to him. And he actually considers her feelings like the good guy he is. Looks like he might go for it too. Props to him, as he got himself out of this three-ring circus of drama. Like I said, forward momentum. I hope he and Sayu will be happy together.

All that aside, I will never understand why all these girls keep falling for Tsumugu. He's the weakest link of Nagi no Asukara. I mean, he's a nice guy, but he's so damn boring. I think Mari Okada forgot to write a personality for him. That's what happened.
Mar 20, 2014 7:40 PM
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fantasticfaggot said:
As cute as the scene was, I'd be really disappointed if Sayu and Kaname became a couple. Sayu isn't just a second option.
My heart breaks more and more each week for Miuna but regardless, good episode!


Don't think about it like that. Obviously, P.A. Works takes it seriously. They gave them a pretty much UNTOPPABLE confession scene, and don't call her a second option, that's not fair. She might have been second, but IMO she's the BETTER option. If you think about it, he didn't even know Sayu liked him.

And honestly, if she confessed like THAT before hand, I'd say there's at least a 40% chance like ANY guy similar to Kaname would open their eyes. That was some powerful stuff...

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Once again, Kaname gets the short end of the stick.


I disagree. Sayu leveled up to level 99 in this episode. Seriously. My god the levels. It was like somebody dropped a chest of rare candies on her head for that confession. She clearly outleveled every other character in the show in that instant. The only one that could even come close to being able to do THAT is Miuna. And she doesn't have the courage required.
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RioFoxx said:
kawaii-despair said:
NubbyMcNubNub said:
Kaname Best Guy


Kaname was always best guy.


I didn't realize it before. I apologize. When his character fully unwound I felt by far the most relatable to him, and the way he replied was a masterpiece. Arguably the best confession scene I've seen. I find it beyond extremely hard for any of the others to top that. At all.

My Current Ships (In Order):

Kaname x Sayu (Obviously)

Manaka/Miuna (Don't care, but Manaka more likely.) x Hikari

Grass x Saltflake Snow
Whoever isn't with Hikari x Air

Tsumugu x Nobody. (...Still don't like him, though this would be better for him.)

Chisaki X Nobody. (...This girl is a bit unbelievable, so I'm going to leave her down at the bottom, here. I used to like her way more than everybody else, but man, she's such a disappointment to me now.)

I love how Kaname ended up better off. Good for you, man, good for you. Also Sayu! All grown up, huh? Definitely my favorite two characters in the show at this point. Though I still like Miuna quite a bit more than everyone else, I think. But holy hell, think about it this way guys, she could be Chisaki.


I'm sorry?
Where is the most bad-ass character in the whole Nagi universe?
Where is Akira's ship?!?
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Mar 20, 2014 7:45 PM
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L-Ryoshi said:
RioFoxx said:
kawaii-despair said:
NubbyMcNubNub said:
Kaname Best Guy


Kaname was always best guy.


I didn't realize it before. I apologize. When his character fully unwound I felt by far the most relatable to him, and the way he replied was a masterpiece. Arguably the best confession scene I've seen. I find it beyond extremely hard for any of the others to top that. At all.

My Current Ships (In Order):

Kaname x Sayu (Obviously)

Manaka/Miuna (Don't care, but Manaka more likely.) x Hikari

Grass x Saltflake Snow
Whoever isn't with Hikari x Air

Tsumugu x Nobody. (...Still don't like him, though this would be better for him.)

Chisaki X Nobody. (...This girl is a bit unbelievable, so I'm going to leave her down at the bottom, here. I used to like her way more than everybody else, but man, she's such a disappointment to me now.)

I love how Kaname ended up better off. Good for you, man, good for you. Also Sayu! All grown up, huh? Definitely my favorite two characters in the show at this point. Though I still like Miuna quite a bit more than everyone else, I think. But holy hell, think about it this way guys, she could be Chisaki.


I'm sorry?
Where is the most bad-ass character in the whole Nagi universe?
Where is Akira's ship?!?


Oh! Touchè. My bad! Haha. Who would you ship him with, anyway?
Mar 20, 2014 7:49 PM
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Kaname and Sayu's scene was so touching, it's finally happening! I'm so happy for them.

I think it's a given Chisaki and Tsumugu will end up together.

It can go either way for Hikari, I have a feeling it'll be Manaka but it's gonna be kinda sad if Miuna ends up alone.

Such a great episode, only two more to go and no more NnA :(
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RioFoxx said:
RioFoxx said:
L-Ryoshi said:

I didn't realize it before. I apologize. When his character fully unwound I felt by far the most relatable to him, and the way he replied was a masterpiece. Arguably the best confession scene I've seen. I find it beyond extremely hard for any of the others to top that. At all.

My Current Ships (In Order):

Kaname x Sayu (Obviously)

Manaka/Miuna (Don't care, but Manaka more likely.) x Hikari

Grass x Saltflake Snow
Whoever isn't with Hikari x Air

Tsumugu x Nobody. (...Still don't like him, though this would be better for him.)

Chisaki X Nobody. (...This girl is a bit unbelievable, so I'm going to leave her down at the bottom, here. I used to like her way more than everybody else, but man, she's such a disappointment to me now.)

I love how Kaname ended up better off. Good for you, man, good for you. Also Sayu! All grown up, huh? Definitely my favorite two characters in the show at this point. Though I still like Miuna quite a bit more than everyone else, I think. But holy hell, think about it this way guys, she could be Chisaki.


I'm sorry?
Where is the most bad-ass character in the whole Nagi universe?
Where is Akira's ship?!?


Oh! Touchè. My bad! Haha. Who would you ship him with, anyway?


My obvious choice would be Manaka, but then all the hardcore Hikari x Manaka shippers would hunt me down and hang me from a tree..... sigh...

I'm not sure, we need another character for him, with him being so bad-ass and all that ;)
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I believe Miuna should end up with Hikari, the girl only had eyes for him where as Manaka was flickering because of Tsumugu. Poor Hikari supported Manaka, protected her since she was young even when she started to like Tsumugu. The only good thing Manaka did was saving Akari.

What is so good with Tsumugu anyway? First Manaka then Chisaki, when both of them were supposed to be closer to Hikari.

If it goes like what Tsumugu grandpa says, the surface guy is supposed to die? Won't that be Tsumugu?
Mar 20, 2014 8:21 PM
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why are people even hating on chisaki now? why dont you guys understand her? and try to put yourself in her shoes. this is too retarded
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I think Hikari just raised his own death flag with the "You'll understand after the Ofunehiki."

How could Chisaki reject such a beautiful confession? She's getting on my nerves. I hope they both go their separate ways now. Tsumugu will move on and have a family of his own, while Chisaki will live alone wallowing in regret.

Now Kaname's not alone and lonely anymore. I imagine that Kaname X Sayu will be the kind of couple that's ALWAYS having some kind of petty disagreement. Those are the kinds of couples I hate.

But seriously, this is how I think it's going to be:
Kaname X Sayu
Tsumugu X Chisaki
Hikari X Manaka
Uroko X Miuna

Or, things could get really freaky and Uroko gets no one because it'll be Hikari X Manaka X Miuna! LOL!!

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But that's the thing though. He didn't even know that Sayu liked him because she was so insignificant in his eyes, and once he discovered that she did, he was kind of like, "Oh, I guess I'll move on from Chisaki and try to reciprocate your feelings now." It's like the sole reason he is considering Sayu is because of the fact that she likes him, not because of who she is. He might truly develop feelings for her later on, but it'll never be on the same level of Sayu's love for him, and that's kind of disheartening.

In our opinion she may be the better option, but that doesn't make her the best match for Kaname.
That's not true. Sayu is not a consolation prize and that was not his response. Kaname was already starting to move on from Chisaki. It hurt him because it's obviously not easy to just move on from loving someone for so long but he proved he was trying when he ENCOURAGED her not to fear her love for Tsumugu. Why is he helping his rival get the girl he loves? Because he knew he had no chance with her and it was time to move on. The least he could do was comfort her and help her find happiness even at the detriment to his own feelings. Sayu just uplifted his spirits after seeing his pained expression which he always went out of his way to hide from others.

I'm glad she did because he was able to really vent and let it all hang out. Especially of how lonely he had been. As a Kaname fan, I kept asking myself how the hell he's able to stay under a roof with grown up Chisaki and Tsumugu without losing it. I was relived when he spent a night out at Akari's house with Hikari, Manaka and Miuna. Now we know how crushed he'd been feeling inside and why he was acting so bitter. Despite that, he wanted to move on and now that everything is out in the open, he really can. Sayu was just the catalyst with her confession. Plus he said he'd take her feelings into consideration and look at her differently than just a little kid. Not that they should hook up and date.
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For some reason, Chisaki just keeps getting more annoying. I mean, I understand that she's suffered a lot, and has issues about that... and I really do feel bad for her, but I just can't bring myself to like her as a character. It almost feels like she doesn't have a personality beyond being angsty eyecandy that's emotionally stuck in the past. Like, what's her personality like when she isn't dealing with romance stuff or crying or whatever? idk. I'm not doing a good job of describing it, but somehow she just rubs me the wrong way.

Because of that, I still can't get behind that Tsumugu/Chisaki ship, even though I've been trying really hard to accept it. They imo have no chemistry, romantic or otherwise. Maybe I dislike it because it's the only ship in the show that happened almost completely off-screen, so it's harder to support then the others. On the bright side, it's also pretty much the only pairing I dislike, so I'm sure that I'll find some things to be happy about in the final pairings.

Speaking of much better ships, Kaname/Sayu (or should it be Sayu/Kaname?) was completely adorable this episode. Kaname's breakdown was much needed, and while I've always liked his character, it really seemed to complete him and give him some more dimension. Sayu's confession was such a breath or fresh air for this show, and I'm glad that the two of them seem to have escaped this dramafest. They really deserve it, and I hope for their happiness.

Why did I suddenly get the feeling that Tsumugu's gonna be the sacrifice this episode? I never even considered it before now, but it felt like, idk, a lot of really subtle death flags were being set for him. I don't know exactly where these so-called flags even were though... but looking at the episode discussion it doesn't look like it was just me? ((tbh I think Tsumugu "marrying" the sea(god) would be completely hilarious but bizarrely fitting. He does only seem happy around the ocean after all >>))

Regardless, something's gonna go wrong with Tsumugu's plan. I doubt sea god is gonna be fooled by a cheap trick like that.

I don't know what to think about the Manaka/Hikari/Miuna thing. I'm fine with either conclusion, as long as Manaka at least gets a chance to have her emotions back so they can sort through everything. I don't think Miuna has much of a chance, and judging by the op and foreshadowing and stuff, she'll probably be the sacrifice. I just hope all three of them can be happy, but that's not gonna happen, is it?
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fantasticfaggot said:
RioFoxx said:
fantasticfaggot said:
As cute as the scene was, I'd be really disappointed if Sayu and Kaname became a couple. Sayu isn't just a second option.
My heart breaks more and more each week for Miuna but regardless, good episode!


Don't think about it like that. Obviously, P.A. Works takes it seriously. They gave them a pretty much UNTOPPABLE confession scene, and don't call her a second option, that's not fair. She might have been second, but IMO she's the BETTER option. If you think about it, he didn't even know Sayu liked him.

And honestly, if she confessed like THAT before hand, I'd say there's at least a 40% chance like ANY guy similar to Kaname would open their eyes. That was some powerful stuff...


But that's the thing though. He didn't even know that Sayu liked him because she was so insignificant in his eyes, and once he discovered that she did, he was kind of like, "Oh, I guess I'll move on from Chisaki and try to reciprocate your feelings now." It's like the sole reason he is considering Sayu is because of the fact that she likes him, not because of who she is. He might truly develop feelings for her later on, but it'll never be on the same level of Sayu's love for him, and that's kind of disheartening.

In our opinion she may be the better option, but that doesn't make her the best match for Kaname.


Sorry for the wall of text. Anyway...

I don't know about that. Tunnel vision when you're gunning for one person is pretty hard, and unadapting. I think, actually, that's part of why he answered her like he did. I think he wants to get her and understand her as a person before he reciprocates her feelings. I think that's for many reasons, some of which including feeling like he's not ready (or healthy enough) for it at the time, but also to get to know her better before he would do that.

To me, that's a very strong indicator that he wants to do it the right way, and seriously, based on her character. Remember, there has to be a way that characters get close, and screen-time wise, there has been very little alone time with Sayu and Kaname since season 2 started. There wasn't many opportunities for him to notice her feelings that were on-screen in season 2. Though I imagine school could have been one of those.

I don't think insignificant was the right word. I don't think he thought of her as worthless or insignificant, he just didn't think of her as dating material. Honestly, I think that's partially in-part to the fact that when he met her she was younger and that friend-zone never changed. I personally think she's the best match in the show for Kaname. In many ways, they were both the people that acted like the strong and mature one, either for themselves, or others.

I mean, come on, that confession made the guy who almost always stayed calm start crying, for goodness sake. I think it was more than just her liking him; Remember, Kaname is not a blind character, he has an ability to generally see the big picture with things that don't involve Chisaki. Therefore, it is fair in this situation to say it is not beyond Kaname to, from her words, kindness, and sincerity in those few moments also understood just how much she had changed as a person as well since 5 years prior for the first time.

"You were the reason I was able to try so hard!"

How could you not see what kind of a person is after a confession in which that quote was not the sole highlight?

I think it went more like:

Sayu's opportunity allowed her to confess.
Her development as a person was made abruptly apparent to him for the first time in Second Season.
Her confession opened his eyes to the fact that there are other people in his life who care.
He's saying to start as friends to be able to get the time to know her sincerely as a person, because he knows that's fair to her, and that he might not be ready yet.

I think he's considering her because she cares not because she likes him. Kind of like that moment when you're like "Wow, this person is...really awesome, aren't they," And I think that's a little different. I don't think just any or anyone's confession could have got him to drop Chisaki. He doesn't seem like that type.

fantasticfaggot said:
kurosai16 said:
why are people even hating on chisaki now? why dont you guys understand her? and try to put yourself in her shoes. this is too retarded


I definitely agree with you! It's ridiculous how Chisaki is being made out to be an asshole having turned down both Kaname and Tsumugu. Oh, so because they poured their hearts out for her that she's obligated to accept? It'd be stupid if she got with either one of them when she truly holds feelings for Hikari.


I think that's the point. If (I don't think she does) she truly holds feelings for Hikari, then don't oddly rationalize it like when she was talking to Kaname. Of course, that's unlikely to be the case and she most likely likes Tsumugu at least mildly, but then still, the guilt thing is just absurdly ridiculous. I don't hate her at all, but she has disappointed me a little bit. Her outstanding resentment to change is rather much.
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ROFL. tsumugu. this guy is just too much. what a character. one day he'll be the most interesting man in the world. "her feelings are still floating around"... wow. i guess that would be equivalent to... she's just being a tsundere. hue.
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fantasticfaggot said:
kurosai16 said:
why are people even hating on chisaki now? why dont you guys understand her? and try to put yourself in her shoes. this is too retarded


I definitely agree with you! It's ridiculous how Chisaki is being made out to be an asshole having turned down both Kaname and Tsumugu. Oh, so because they poured their hearts out for her that she's obligated to accept? It'd be stupid if she got with either one of them when she truly holds feelings for Hikari.


She doesn't love Hikari at all. She was using him as an excuse because she refuses to accept she changed out her insecurity, change phobia and survivor's guilt complex. She dropped that now and switched her excuse to "I must return Manaka's feelings" as her excuse to postpone it. Kaname told her to quit lying to herself. She's in love with Tsumugu. She's just making herself miserable out of stubbornness and fear which is what all the people with half a braincell called for a long time.

However, I agree the bashing is getting out of hand.
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I was hoping the feelings ena thing wouldn't be it, but ;/
Still, Tsumugu doing mad work!

Come to think of it, this is like the first time in a drama where my favorite characters are the male cast and not the females xD

It's okay Kaname. Your suffering has lifted somewhat. And I've officially lost interest in the main protag ships.
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fantasticfaggot said:

But that's the thing though. He didn't even know that Sayu liked him because she was so insignificant in his eyes, and once he discovered that she did, he was kind of like, "Oh, I guess I'll move on from Chisaki and try to reciprocate your feelings now." It's like the sole reason he is considering Sayu is because of the fact that she likes him, not because of who she is. He might truly develop feelings for her later on, but it'll never be on the same level of Sayu's love for him, and that's kind of disheartening.

In our opinion she may be the better option, but that doesn't make her the best match for Kaname.
That's not true. Sayu is not a consolation prize and that was not his response. Kaname was already starting to move on from Chisaki. It hurt him because it's obviously not easy to just move on from loving someone for so long but he proved he was trying when he ENCOURAGED her not to fear her love for Tsumugu. Why is he helping his rival get the girl he loves? Because he knew he had no chance with her and it was time to move on. The least he could do was comfort her and help her find happiness even at the detriment to his own feelings. Sayu just uplifted his spirits after seeing his pained expression which he always went out of his way to hide from others.

I'm glad she did because he was able to really vent and let it all hang out. Especially of how lonely he had been. As a Kaname fan, I kept asking myself how the hell he's able to stay under a roof with grown up Chisaki and Tsumugu without losing it. I was relived when he spent a night out at Akari's house with Hikari, Manaka and Miuna. Now we know how crushed he'd been feeling inside and why he was acting so bitter. Despite that, he wanted to move on and now that everything is out in the open, he really can. Sayu was just the catalyst with her confession. Plus he said he'd take her feelings into consideration and look at her differently than just a little kid. Not that they should hook up and date.


This!

Anyone who thinks that Sayu is just a consolation prize to Kaname definitely has to go back and watch the show all over again. Kaname has had the best response to any situation, and it was painfully obvious to anyone who wasn't blind that he was sick of the situation that he was in and had already began moving on (like episodes ago?). Even his joke in the middle of the last episode was half-hearted in its attempt to get a raise out of Chisaki more than anything. The fact he didn't go ballistic or take advantage of the situation in the first half of this episode with Chisaki also shows his selflessness and his attempt at moving on at his own expense. Sayu's confession just gave Kaname another catalyst to speed forward with moving on.

Truth be told, I don't think any of the girls are really a "best match" for any of the guys,
Tsumugu and Chisaki included. They may seem to have the chemistry of a pair of siblings in the kitchen, but that doesn't mean character-wise they match on every level. Chisaki's rejection made that perfectly (and to some painfully) clear. She gives off the vibe that she'll never grow up fully and end up as a shunned housewife with the deadbeat emotionless husband.

With Hikari and Manaka, things are even more ambiguous with the loss of memories, but even before the original Ofunehiki, their relationship was mostly a childish game of bickering over small stuff where whoever showed their emotions first loses and the winner runs away. it was exasperating to watch. If they do get together in the end I can totally see these two fighting day in and day out over the smallest things.

Out of all of the couples forming, I would rate Kaname and Sayu as the one that would last longest based on their characteristics, their IQ. their EQ and their growing mutual acknowledgement of one another.
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@L-Ryoshi: Again with the "sibling" chemistry when Kaname himself pointed out he was the one who Chisaki regarded as a sibling. Having the chemistry of a traditional married couple is different from a pair of siblings (Kaname and Chisaki are now an offiical and canonical example of how non related siblings actually behave for their society standard ;) ).

Also it's difficult an unfair to compare a highly traumatized young woman like Chisaki and a person who lost her ability to love like Manaka with a girl who barely suffered any trauma outside a convenient one for her to get a shot with her crush like Sayu. Even if I am a Kaname x Sayu shipper, you can't just compare the hurdles and the eventual payoff of the main set up relationships: Manaka x Hikari and Chisaki x Tsumugu. That, as any good drama, will not resolve until the very end.

That's why obstacles are created to be overcome. Tsumugu loves that temper of Chisaki, he can handle her. He doesn't seem to take offense or actually believe her obvious denial. He faces her without breaking a sweat.

Hikari's still devoted to Manaka, while his understanding of her is a little more immature (because unlike Tsumugu, he didn't figure out Manaka's feelings), his affection is sincere, so was Manaka's support to "Protect him" in the past.
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Oh that confession, Sayu is the freaking best girl.
The scene when she pointed to her heart and says "You were right here" was too much for my feels.
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The chemistry with Chisaki's insecurities and relationships have gotten a bit boring for me (they tend to end up the same every time...). With the way things are looking though, she'll probably end up with Tsumugu in the final episode.

That confession scene with Kaname and Sayu was just...too good. Definitely the highlight of the past number of episodes. I didn't really like shipping Kaname and Sayu that much, but that scene has convinced me otherwise. While Kaname didn't really reject or accept her feelings, I can't help but ship them now. Hopefully Sayu can help him move on and find a place in his heart.

As for the rest of the episode, it was nice to see the other students having grown up. And another set up of "after the Ofunehiki." Hopefully it turns out better this time around!
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@L-Ryoshi: Again with the "sibling" chemistry when Kaname himself pointed out he was the one who Chisaki regarded as a sibling. Having the chemistry of a traditional married couple is different from a pair of siblings (Kaname and Chisaki are now an offiical and canonical example of how non related siblings actually behave for their society standard ;) ).

Also it's difficult an unfair to compare a highly traumatized young woman like Chisaki and a person who lost her ability to love like Manaka with a girl who barely suffered any trauma outside a convenient one for her to get a shot with her crush like Sayu. Even if I am a Kaname x Sayu shipper, you can't just compare the hurdles and the eventual payoff of the main set up relationships: Manaka x Hikari and Chisaki x Tsumugu. That, as any good drama, will not resolve until the very end.

That's why obstacles are created to be overcome. Tsumugu loves that temper of Chisaki, he can handle her. He doesn't seem to take offense or actually believe her obvious denial. He faces her without breaking a sweat.

Hikari's still devoted to Manaka, while his understanding of her is a little more immature (because unlike Tsumugu, he didn't figure out Manaka's feelings), his affection is sincere, so was Manaka's support to "Protect him" in the past.


I'm sorry, I just don't see how knowing how and when to move in and out of a kitchen or where everything in the house is placed shows the chemistry of a traditional married couple. At best you could say that they've lived together long enough that they understand each other's habits, but again that does not imply they make a great couple. If you've live in a dorm, a training camp or a boarding house with the same people long enough and you'll come to understand and learn everyone's tendencies, and the results would be similar to what we witnessed in the kitchen scene. I don't see it as anything special.
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I didn't get quite the emotional impact I was looking for this episode, but Kaname's response to Sayu was appropriate. "Yes" or "no" wouldn't have fit.

Also, did the preview for the next episode seem really ominous to anyone else? I think we're finally going to get a look into the final fates of Manaka and Miuna.
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